From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Wed Oct 10 10:48:24 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15rLap-0000UY-00 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:48:23 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.79]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GKZY4601.97L for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:38:30 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010105626.00a58e50@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:37:54 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Meimc-publication] new publication info from the KJ g'day all -- here's the info from the Kennebec Journal on pricing: for the same size tabloid as before, 5000x12pp = $362.59 + for each 1000x12pp = $47.22 5000x16pp = $438.91 + for each 1000x16pp = $56.42 this is all assuming we will be making print runs of less than 10,000 in the future, as had been discussed. also, the ink the KJ uses is soy-based (wahoo!) and there is some recycled content, tho too much recycled content would make newsprint fall apart. generally newsprint is recycled to make other paper, not vice versa. peace, alasdair post-quinn layout/design, maine indymedia From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Wed Oct 10 16:42:48 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15rR7h-00013v-00; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:42:41 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.79]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GL0EIP02.5BA; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:32:49 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010172526.00a45bd0@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:32:08 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Cc: meimc-core@lists.maineindymedia.org, meimc-coverage@lists.maineindymedia.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Meimc-publication] deadline for next issue hey all -- get in gear! the next publication is tentatively scheduled to come out on ... halloween? heh ... well, sure, why not? please try to get me all content by Monday the 22nd of October, one week before the deadline. The only exception to that rule is the Solidarity Day content (from the weekend before the deadline) which we will try to run on the front page. any problems? this is only tentative. if people feel we're rushing it (for example, because rob waite is temporarily out of commission and rob fish is going to be gone for the next 2 weeks), please tell me ASAP so i can push the printing date back. also, what are people's preferences about length of the paper (see the message about costs i posted earlier to the meimc-pub list)? peace, alasdair From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Sat Oct 13 21:56:29 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15sbRz-0001zS-00; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:56:27 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.104]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GL6D1403.FW0; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:46:16 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013221331.00a958c0@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:45:25 -0400 To: meimc-core@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Cc: meimc-coverage@lists.maineindymedia.org, meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org, meimc-tech@lists.maineindymedia.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Meimc-publication] IMC-Maine Meeting this Monday! greetings all -- this is a note to tell you about the maine independent media center meeting this monday (oct 15) at 10pm. this will be an ONLINE meeting on IRC (internet relay chat). because of our wide geographic diversity, we prefer to meet in this forum rather than in any given city or town in maine. server: irc.indymedia.org channel: imc-maine IRC can be accessed via the web at http://irc.indymedia.org or by a standalone IRC client. for the website, fill in the form with your irc nickname, and the channel name (imc-maine). all other fields should remain as they are. for a standalone client, refer to the client's help pages for how to connect and join a channel. topics to be covered: -the new publication (content, organization, deadlines, etc). please try to think of some good, creative names for the publication. Maine Free Press conflicts with another progressive-ish newspaper in Rockland, so we will change the name in the next issue. -compilation and distribution of audio & video from the New Chautauqua and Common Ground Fair. -integration of new volunteers (all the more reason for new volunteers to come to the meeting!) -coverage of upcoming events -etc -- if you have an issue to discuss, please tell us so we can save some time for it. any questions, please email imc-maine@berogard.psouth.net peace, alasdair post-quinn publication layout & design/treasurer maine independent media center From edemocracy@hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 06:07:33 2001 Received: from f132.law12.hotmail.com ([64.4.19.132] helo=hotmail.com) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15tS4F-0004f0-00; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 06:07:27 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:45:49 -0700 Received: from 12.15.219.5 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:45:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.15.219.5] From: "Edward Democracy" To: imc-maine@berogard.psouth.net, ecology12@yahoo.com, sterren@brandeis.edu, ecolink@psouth.net, meimc-coverage@lists.maineindymedia.org, meimc-coverage-admin@lists.maineindymedia.org, meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org, meimc-discuss@lists.maineindymedia.org, meimc-core@lists.maineindymedia.org, ch2ppac@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 06:45:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 10:45:49.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[B815E9A0:01C1562F] Subject: [Meimc-publication] Invitation to meet and expand the Maine-IMC Network The Director of Channel 2 ( http://www.ctn4maine.org/ch2.htm ) in Portland, Molly O'Neill ( http://www.ctn4maine.org/staff2.htm ), is inviting folks to meet and discuss ways of cooperating and expanding/strengthening the Maine-IMC network. THU, OCT 18, 6pm, 100 Oak Street, Portland Molly's number is 775-2900 x.3 Hope to see you there, but, I know it is short notice (sorry about that). Thank you. Ed Democracy 831-1402 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From sterren@brandeis.edu Wed Oct 17 15:04:30 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15twvW-0002Z2-00 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:04:30 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.brandeis.edu ([24.52.128.104]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLD8M400.XUI for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011017154327.01f28940@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: sterren@pop.undergrad.brandeis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:44:51 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: sterren Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Meimc-publication] want to do some interviewing? Hey there all, I just noticed on this link http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR101501.htm that people are available for interviews. Would anyone be interested in interviewing any of these people for an article for the Maine IMC? -hillary From sterren@brandeis.edu Fri Oct 19 13:49:14 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15uehl-0003lq-00 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:49:13 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.brandeis.edu ([24.52.128.104]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLGUG800.J74 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:38:32 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: sterren@pop.undergrad.brandeis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:37:56 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: sterren Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Meimc-publication] publication issues Hello all, Some updates on the Maine IMC publication: 1. Deadline for submissions is October 30th. 2. We are discussing accepting political ads. What are people's opinions on this? Possibilities raised have been accepting the ads, but charging double the price we charge non-profits for ads, and below the ads having a prominent note saying that we are non-partisan, will accept all paid political ads, space permitting, and all ads do not neccesarily reflect or influence the ideas expressed in the publication. 3. We probably need a new name for the publication - turns out the "Free Press" is a relatively progressive paper with pretty wide distribution in mid-coast Maine. So in trying to avoid confusion (our printer also prints the other Free Press too), what are ideas for a new name? 4. We have transcripts from the New Chautauqua - is there anyone who attended the Chautauqua who would be able to use these and their experience there and maybe some mini-email-interviews to write an article on the New Chautauqua (for submission by the 30th.) 5. It would be great if we could have a do-it-yourself media section of the publication. Would anyone with experience maybe with radio, video, editing, photography, or such possibly be able to write a do-it-yourself piece on a part of their area of media expertise? 6. We still need help with soliciting ads, so if people can approach non-profits and educational institutions for ads, that would be great. Any questions, let me know :} -hillary 649-5980 From noreastah@acadia.net Sat Oct 20 14:24:43 2001 Received: from anvil.prexar.com ([142.167.5.3]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15v1je-0000kv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:24:42 -0500 Received: from i6h4b8 ([142.167.32.158]) by anvil.prexar.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e80ad4300c78461dee1883b377c18f00) with SMTP id <20011020191406.IOVA28031.anvil@i6h4b8>; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:14:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> From: "noreastah" To: , "sterren" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:16:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: sterren To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: [Meimc-publication] publication issues > Hello all, > > Some updates on the Maine IMC publication: > > 1. Deadline for submissions is October 30th. > > 2. We are discussing accepting political ads. What are people's opinions on > this? Possibilities raised have been accepting the ads, but charging double > the price we charge non-profits for ads, and below the ads having a > prominent note saying that we are non-partisan, will accept all paid > political ads, space permitting, and all ads do not neccesarily reflect or > influence the ideas expressed in the publication. I think this is a bad idea. What if some anti-abortion group wanted to try to place an ad? Would the policy suddenly need to be changed? Just something to think about. Andy From ecolink@psouth.net Sun Oct 21 09:19:20 2001 Received: from eland.psouth.net ([63.114.216.4]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vJRg-0006qn-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:19:20 -0500 Received: from ecolink by eland.psouth.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vJJg-00078b-00; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:11:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:11:04 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues Message-ID: <20011021101104.A22709@psouth.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8>; from noreastah@acadia.net on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:16:03PM -0400 From: "Robert L. Waite" X-Scanner: exiscan *15vJJg-00078b-00*ZvhI5CiOIgs* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:16:03PM -0400, noreastah wrote: > > political ads, space permitting, and all ads do not neccesarily reflect or > > influence the ideas expressed in the publication. > > I think this is a bad idea. What if some anti-abortion group wanted to try > to place an ad? Would the policy suddenly need to be changed? Just something > to think about no, we would accept it. "Either you belive in free speech for EVERYBODY about ALL subjects, or you do not, but you cant have free speech on "just these topics over here"" - paraphrasing Noam Chomsky in responce to a question about the Cambodia vs Indonesia slaughters. . From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Sun Oct 21 09:49:15 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vJud-0006y4-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:49:15 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLK8OG00.M2F for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:38:40 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021101608.00a955f0@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:38:35 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues In-Reply-To: <20011021101104.A22709@psouth.net> References: <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:11 AM 10/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:16:03PM -0400, noreastah wrote: > > > > political ads, space permitting, and all ads do not neccesarily > reflect or > > > influence the ideas expressed in the publication. > > > > I think this is a bad idea. What if some anti-abortion group wanted to try > > to place an ad? Would the policy suddenly need to be changed? Just > something > > to think about > >no, we would accept it. i agree. think about it this way: if you were an anti-abortion group, would you spend $100 on a quarter-page ad in a publication whose readership would be so unreceptive to your ideas? i would think that would be a rather poor use of their funds, and there are plenty of other places where they could post and have much better results. however, if they decided that it was worth their money to put the ad in our publication, we would not say no to $100 toward our printing costs. and in the interest of the mission statement of our publication, rob is right -- free speech cannot afford to be selective. when we were originally tossing this idea around, we meant "political ads" from candidates like faircloth or pingree whom we might approach, having spoken with them at the CGF and knowing their interest in our cause, to buy an ad to help our paper. i think what we need to do soon (perhaps i will work on it today) is create a pdf that can be printed out as an ad application, with sizes and prices and discounts for repeat ads. my personal suggestions so far: 1/8page = $25 nonprof/edu, $50 political 1/4page = $50 nonprof/edu, $100 political 1/2page = $100 nonprof/edu, $200 political we need to think about repeating ads and whether we would give a discount to an organization willing to commit to (3? 6? more?) issues. now, the really pressing question: - many non-profits thrive on grant money and expect to get free ads, therefore are not interested in paying our prices. - there are precious few educational institutions that need this publicity - we have not decided upon or approached the political groups or candidates there is one more group that we have not yet tapped, and they are the group that has the most potential to fund us: - commercial ads now don't get me wrong -- just because we might accept them doesn't mean we can't choose them. our policy could be that we will choose businesses (small local ones, generally) that we feel are worthy of ad space in our publication, and offer them the application. there is one business (re-books used bookstore) in waterville that would already be interested in a 1/4 page ad if we decide to do this. perhaps we could say that the places that are eligible for commercial ads in the paper would be only the places willing to be a drop point for the paper. we have used bookstores, health food stores, cafes, and other businesses sympathetic to our cause, whose ads would not seem out of place in our publication, and they have the money to help fund us, but so far we have rejected this option because of an ideal -- because we allow one commercial business an ad, according to our "motto" we would have to allow all in. not so! we have not written a policy on this. i think this is going to be the best way to go. but i need your approval on it ... we can get funding for this paper, we just have to "open our minds" a bit -- and by that i do _not_ mean "sell out". supporting local businesses is not "selling out" by anyone's definition. peace, alasdair From mln@maine.rr.com Sun Oct 21 12:34:47 2001 Received: from ptldme-smtp2.maine.rr.com ([204.210.65.67]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vMUo-0007am-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:34:46 -0500 Received: from default (ptldme-unallocated-66-30-239-45.maine.rr.com [66.30.239.45]) by ptldme-smtp2.maine.rr.com (8.11.0/RoadRunner 1.03) with SMTP id f9LHOSB25041 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01c15a55$4fcadf20$391a1e42@maine.rr.com> Reply-To: "Burt Wartell" From: "Burt Wartell" To: References: <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> <5.1.0.14.2.20011021101608.00a955f0@leopard.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:24:58 -0400 Organization: Maine Labor News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Guess I'll jump in on this, since I have a bit of experience with the subject. As Freud said, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Ads are nothing more or less than ads. They are a business transaction. IMHO, free speech issues are somewhat irrelevant in this area (unlike with articles). There are, however, a few issues to be aware of. The policy so far suggested, of only taking ads from non-profits and selected political campaigns probably won't yield enough income to make it worth the hassle. There are two (maybe more) categories of ads that could work out financially. One (which includes the above mentioned types) is what I would call "support ads," where supportive organizations, campaigns and businesses commit to buying ad space mostly as a means of making a donation. The other is commercial ads. Bear in mind that selling ads is a very time-consuming and competitive endeavor. It is crucial to establish and maintain a policy that, no matter how financially dependent you may be on the income, the threat or, worse, the presumed potential for an advertiser to pull their ads because of what you've published must never - overtly or subtly - be allowed to influence editorial decisions. This may become painful when the choice is between having the money to publish an issue or not, but must always be handled with the utmost integrity. It is perfectly legitimate to set standards for what advertising you will or will not accept. However, I would advise against making them overly ideologically nitpicky (which may be difficult to accomplish with a collective decision-making process). Personally, for example, I wouldn't have a problem accepting cigarette ads but others might. On the other hand, I won't run ads from businesses where there is a labor dispute in progress even if, before the strike, they were a major advertiser. If bulk mailing is a future possibility, be aware that the USPS has very specific rules about certain kinds of ads that may not be accepted, as well as the percentage of space in the publication that may be taken up with advertising, in order to qualify for the non-profit rate. The IRS may have certain restrictions, too. These would be worth researching before making a decision. Grant-making organizations may have specific rules regarding advertising that could exclude a publication from a particular grant. However, this may not be much of a concern since most funders won't fund publications, per se. Having pointed out these caveats let me say that I think advertising, while a lot of work, is potentially the only place real money is going to come from. Therefore, I would warn against making the ad price so low that it's not useful for supporting the publication. That would be a waste of space. In an all-volunteer publication the costs are limited but still not insignificant. The price of ads should be calculated based on an assessment of how much money needs to be generated, how much space could reasonably be expected to be sold and an arithmetic reduction of the two. Other considerations are mostly extraneous. Ad prices must be consistent but discounts for a contract with several repeat placements, or for advance payment, should be encouraged. These are just a few considerations that come to mind. I'm sure there are others. Let me tell you, as a publisher, chasing, placing and collecting on ads is the biggest pain in the ass of the whole process. It is, however, the only route to financial survival I have available. Good Luck. Burt Wartell Maine Labor News PO Box 3472 Portland, ME 04104 207-773-5760 (phone) 207-773-5766 (fax) mln@maine.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues > At 10:11 AM 10/21/01 -0400, you wrote: > >On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:16:03PM -0400, noreastah wrote: > > > > > > political ads, space permitting, and all ads do not neccesarily > > reflect or > > > > influence the ideas expressed in the publication. > > > > > > I think this is a bad idea. What if some anti-abortion group wanted to try > > > to place an ad? Would the policy suddenly need to be changed? Just > > something > > > to think about > > > >no, we would accept it. > > i agree. > > think about it this way: if you were an anti-abortion group, would you > spend $100 on a quarter-page ad in a publication whose readership would be > so unreceptive to your ideas? i would think that would be a rather poor use > of their funds, and there are plenty of other places where they could post > and have much better results. however, if they decided that it was worth > their money to put the ad in our publication, we would not say no to $100 > toward our printing costs. and in the interest of the mission statement of > our publication, rob is right -- free speech cannot afford to be selective. > > when we were originally tossing this idea around, we meant "political ads" > from candidates like faircloth or pingree whom we might approach, having > spoken with them at the CGF and knowing their interest in our cause, to buy > an ad to help our paper. > > i think what we need to do soon (perhaps i will work on it today) is create > a pdf that can be printed out as an ad application, with sizes and prices > and discounts for repeat ads. > > my personal suggestions so far: > > 1/8page = $25 nonprof/edu, $50 political > 1/4page = $50 nonprof/edu, $100 political > 1/2page = $100 nonprof/edu, $200 political > > we need to think about repeating ads and whether we would give a discount > to an organization willing to commit to (3? 6? more?) issues. > > now, the really pressing question: > - many non-profits thrive on grant money and expect to get free ads, > therefore are not interested in paying our prices. > - there are precious few educational institutions that need this publicity > - we have not decided upon or approached the political groups or candidates > > there is one more group that we have not yet tapped, and they are the group > that has the most potential to fund us: > - commercial ads > > now don't get me wrong -- just because we might accept them doesn't mean we > can't choose them. our policy could be that we will choose businesses > (small local ones, generally) that we feel are worthy of ad space in our > publication, and offer them the application. there is one business > (re-books used bookstore) in waterville that would already be interested in > a 1/4 page ad if we decide to do this. perhaps we could say that the places > that are eligible for commercial ads in the paper would be only the places > willing to be a drop point for the paper. we have used bookstores, health > food stores, cafes, and other businesses sympathetic to our cause, whose > ads would not seem out of place in our publication, and they have the money > to help fund us, but so far we have rejected this option because of an > ideal -- because we allow one commercial business an ad, according to our > "motto" we would have to allow all in. > > not so! we have not written a policy on this. i think this is going to be > the best way to go. but i need your approval on it ... we can get funding > for this paper, we just have to "open our minds" a bit -- and by that i do > _not_ mean "sell out". supporting local businesses is not "selling out" by > anyone's definition. > > peace, > alasdair > > > > _______________________________________________ > Meimc-publication mailing list > Meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org > http://lists.maineindymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/meimc-publication From noreastah@acadia.net Sun Oct 21 18:33:21 2001 Received: from anvil.prexar.com ([142.167.5.3]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vS5p-0000Ue-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:33:21 -0500 Received: from i6h4b8 ([142.167.40.131]) by anvil.prexar.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e80ad4300c78461dee1883b377c18f00) with SMTP id <20011021232238.GEI28031.anvil@i6h4b8> for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c15a87$885a7940$8328a78e@i6h4b8> From: "noreastah" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> <20011021101104.A22709@psouth.net> Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:24:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Waite To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues > On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:16:03PM -0400, noreastah wrote: > > > > political ads, space permitting, and all ads do not neccesarily reflect or > > > influence the ideas expressed in the publication. > > > > I think this is a bad idea. What if some anti-abortion group wanted to try > > to place an ad? Would the policy suddenly need to be changed? Just something > > to think about > > no, we would accept it. > > "Either you belive in free speech for EVERYBODY about ALL subjects, or > you do not, but you cant have free speech on "just these topics over > here"" - paraphrasing Noam Chomsky in responce to a question about the > Cambodia vs Indonesia slaughters. Although I do believe in free speech for everyone, I think it's also very important to realise that we don't live in a world where everyone has an equal voice. There would be no need for independent media centers if money did not unfairly influence what news and opinions get aired and what did not. I would not want to set up a situation where anyone could even remotely have any influence over indymedia. I think it's dishonest to believe you can take for money for something and not be in some (small) way influenced by it. I'll give $100 to anyone who can convience me money has no influence on them. :) I also realise the need for funding. I know most of the groups I support are vastly underfunded and could probably do a lot more if they only had more money. With these things in mind, I still don't think it's a good idea to be taking money from political groups or candidates. I'm not sure I can explain exactly why. I think my major concern is that I view publications without ads as more credible than those that accept ads. If the majority feel that it's okay to take ads I supposed I'll go along with that, but if it's in any way possible to convience you otherwise I'll be trying to change your minds. I've spent the last few hours thinking about this subject and trying to figure out how to express my thoughts as best as possible, rewriting this reponse a couple different times. I hope I didn't come across as some sort of ranting lunatic. It's just a subject I feel strongly about. If it where possible to get enough money to put out the publication with taking ads, would people consider this? Looking forward to your responses. Andy --- Although I do believe in free speech for everyone, I think it's also very important to realise that we don't live in a world where everyone has an equal voice. There would be no need for independent media centers if money did not unfairly influence what news and opinions get aired and what did not. In an ideal world all opinions would be heard, discussed and debated. However that's not the world we currently live in. I'm not terribly interested in giving groups that espouse hatred, In the mainstream media those with money have more power to air their opinions. My concern is that if Maine indymedia where to take money for political ads, we would essentially be doing what the mainstream media does, though on an extremely smaller scale. Could someone please explain what the fundemental difference would be? My suggestion would be that we avoid this whole issue and look for money from other sources. I've never heard of any other IMC group taking money from political candidates or other political groups (perhaps I am just aware?). Would Maine indymedia instantly turn into the voice for the establishment by taking money for political ads? I highly doubt it. However, my point is that I would not want to set up a situation anyone could even remotely have any influence over indymedia. I think it's dishonest to believe you can take for money for something and not be in any way influenced by it. I'll give $100 to anyone who can convience me money has no influence on them. :) Any time you take money from someone with an agreement to Why would we want to try to recreate that on some type of smaller (and democratic?) scale. No I don't think lobbiest for the paper companies or republican lobbiests. In an ideal world, everyone should have the ability to get their point across and air their views. However, as all of you are aware, we are pretty far off from living in an ideal world. My concern is that some people/institutions/groups/etc. have more resources to get their point across than others and thus much more power. that one of the major problems in the world (at least in my opinion) is that the mainstream media is controlled by those with money. Their would be absolutely no need for independent media centers if everyone in the world had an equal chance to express their opinions. Yes, I supposed everyone I guess what I am trying to get at is that some people/institutions/entities/groups/whatever have From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Sun Oct 21 20:50:12 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vUEG-00011A-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:50:12 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLL39Z00.9TL for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:39:35 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021211715.00a93160@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:39:05 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues In-Reply-To: <003e01c15a87$885a7940$8328a78e@i6h4b8> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> <20011021101104.A22709@psouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:24 PM 10/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >Although I do believe in free speech for everyone, I think it's also very >important to realise that we don't live in a world where everyone has an >equal voice. There would be no need for independent media centers if money >did not unfairly influence what news and opinions get aired and what did >not. agreed -- my argument was that the sorts of organizations likely to place ads in an imc paper are not the sorts that often place ads in, say, newsweek or rolling stone. but this is not a guarantee and it does leave us open to abuse if someone from a "big-voiced" organization applied for an ad. >I would not want to set up a situation where anyone could even remotely have >any influence over indymedia. I think it's dishonest to believe you can take >for money for something and not be in some (small) way influenced by it. >I'll give $100 to anyone who can convience me money has no influence on >them. :) also agreed. but we can have something in our policy about this. i'm not sure how i'd write it, but if we feel that someone is pressuring us to modify our content in return for keeping their ad in the paper, we cannot afford to back down. i would rather skip an issue of the paper at the most important time in the world than change the content simply because an "investor" (i.e. someone who has given money to the paper) doesn't like it. ad buyers are not going to see the content in the issue where their ad is run until it's too late to change it. if they are offended, they can pull the ad. if they have a contract, they can pull the ad and not receive any money back. if they don't have a contract, it costs them nothing extra simply to stop running the ads. >With these things in mind, I still don't think it's a good idea to be taking >money from political groups or candidates. I'm not sure I can explain >exactly why. this needs to be debated long and hard. i think alot of people can't explain why we shouldn't take political groups' ads or commercial businesses' ads, but before we make an informed decision, we are going to need to have those reasons, those pros and cons. there are pros and there are cons, but it's just another example of the world's irony that the two classes of organizations that could really help fund us are the two we're not sure we want to take money from. >I think my major concern is that I view publications without ads as more >credible than >those that accept ads. If the majority feel that it's okay to take ads I >supposed I'll go >along with that, but if it's in any way possible to convience you otherwise >I'll be trying to >change your minds. I've spent the last few hours thinking about this subject >and trying >to figure out how to express my thoughts as best as possible, rewriting this >reponse a >couple different times. I hope I didn't come across as some sort of ranting >lunatic. It's >just a subject I feel strongly about. amen. you're no more of a ranting lunatic than i am (i hope). if you can come up with a better idea, i'd love to hear it. fewer ads means more space for content, and that makes me happy. but grant organizations don't give money for publications, generally, and we can't just keep holding bake sales :p >In the mainstream media those with money have more power to air their >opinions. My concern is that if Maine indymedia where to take money for >political ads, we would essentially be doing what the mainstream media does, >though on an extremely smaller scale. Could someone please explain what the >fundemental difference would be? My suggestion would be that we avoid this >whole issue and look for money from other sources. I've never heard of any >other IMC group taking money from political candidates or other political >groups (perhaps I am just aware?). keep in mind we are a very unusual IMC. we are spread vastly over a wide area with only 1/8 the population of new york city and, on average, a much worse economy. obviously, an IMC in new york will have an easier time finding places not only to get ads but to get other funding. the NYC IMC's paper is funded entirely by "private donations" (not so easy to get around here, evidently), fundraisers and subscriptions. we could clearly get subscriptions -- but how to get the word out there? how many people would be willing to buy subscriptions? would we even be able to qualify for the bulk mailing rate? or would we have to pay 55cents to mail each copy? more disorganized thoughts from alasdair post-quinn editor, maine free press (until we find another name) From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Sun Oct 21 20:56:23 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vUKE-00014k-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:56:22 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLL3KB02.FR8 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:45:47 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021213912.00a935d0@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:45:16 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Meimc-publication] ad policy test sheet hey all -- i know we haven't entirely decided what to do with ads, or even to have them, but i just wanted to throw out this ad policy sheet i made in pdf format: http://members.qsilver.net/acpquinn/adpolicy.PDF keep in mind this is a very rough draft. i made it not having cleared the text with anyone. go ahead and tear it to bits, critique it, tell me what to change and what to add. i think that the policy will have to be much longer so we will probably have to put it on 11x17 paper. also look at the sizes of the ads (maybe print it off to get a better idea) and the prices. do we want ads this big? or do we have to keep them at these sizes to make sure people get their money's worth? i can think of a few other ways to do this, but i want some feedback on this one first. From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Sun Oct 21 21:07:18 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vUUl-00016X-00; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:07:15 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLL42F03.NKN; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:56:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021214536.00a92870@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:55:55 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Cc: meimc-discuss@lists.maineindymedia.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Meimc-publication] publication name! please! help! hey all again -- just needed to remind people that we still need a name for the publication. after the last note nobody came forth with one (if you did, i apologize, i haven't seen it yet). the maine free press' name conflicts with another semi-progressive maine paper, and we must change it (out of respect, not because we've been threatened or anything). i personally would like to avoid names that sound too cliche, but hillary has said that some of the "creative" names i've come up with make the paper sound like something it isn't. ex: "Immedia" = too geek; "The Third I" = too new age; "Vox Populis" = too intellectual; etc hillary really wants to include something with "commons" or "common", or "voice" ... others have expressed interest in emphasizing "free". all are interested in making it a name that will stand out and catch attention without alienating people -- i.e. a name that will make the average citizen interested enough to pick it up and read it. I know this seems like a minor issue, but there is alot of power in a name, and we should make sure we pick one we really want because we're going to have to live with it (unless we change names each time we print ... hehe) peace, alasdair post-quinn editor, common maine independent free press voice herald times journal tribune From noreastah@acadia.net Sun Oct 21 21:42:16 2001 Received: from anvil.prexar.com ([142.167.5.3]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vV2e-0001HK-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:42:16 -0500 Received: from i6h4b8 ([142.167.34.65]) by anvil.prexar.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e80ad4300c78461dee1883b377c18f00) with SMTP id <20011022023134.CRQU28031.anvil@i6h4b8> for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:31:34 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c15aa1$ebce87e0$4122a78e@i6h4b8> From: "noreastah" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu><001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8><20011021101104.A22709@psouth.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011021211715.00a93160@leopard.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:33:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > >In the mainstream media those with money have more power to air their > >opinions. My concern is that if Maine indymedia where to take money for > >political ads, we would essentially be doing what the mainstream media does, > >though on an extremely smaller scale. Could someone please explain what the > >fundemental difference would be? My suggestion would be that we avoid this > >whole issue and look for money from other sources. I've never heard of any > >other IMC group taking money from political candidates or other political > >groups (perhaps I am just [un]aware?). Looks like I forgot to completely delete my first edit after I finalized what I was trying to say. You can see my jumbled thoughts and how they evolved if you scroll down on my last post. Whoops!!! Hey pretend there is nothing write below where I put my name :) Andy From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Sun Oct 21 22:24:41 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vVhX-0001T8-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:24:31 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLL7N500.JUU for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:13:53 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021231238.00aba7f0@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:13:00 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: "Burt Wartell" (by way of acpquinn@middlebury.edu) Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Guess I'll jump in on this, since I have a bit of experience with the subject. As Freud said, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Ads are nothing more or less than ads. They are a business transaction. IMHO, free speech issues are somewhat irrelevant in this area (unlike with articles). There are, however, a few issues to be aware of. The policy so far suggested, of only taking ads from non-profits and selected political campaigns probably won't yield enough income to make it worth the hassle. There are two (maybe more) categories of ads that could work out financially. One (which includes the above mentioned types) is what I would call "support ads," where supportive organizations, campaigns and businesses commit to buying ad space mostly as a means of making a donation. The other is commercial ads. Bear in mind that selling ads is a very time-consuming and competitive endeavor. It is crucial to establish and maintain a policy that, no matter how financially dependent you may be on the income, the threat or, worse, the presumed potential for an advertiser to pull their ads because of what you've published must never - overtly or subtly - be allowed to influence editorial decisions. This may become painful when the choice is between having the money to publish an issue or not, but must always be handled with the utmost integrity. It is perfectly legitimate to set standards for what advertising you will or will not accept. However, I would advise against making them overly ideologically nitpicky (which may be difficult to accomplish with a collective decision-making process). Personally, for example, I wouldn't have a problem accepting cigarette ads but others might. On the other hand, I won't run ads from businesses where there is a labor dispute in progress even if, before the strike, they were a major advertiser. If bulk mailing is a future possibility, be aware that the USPS has very specific rules about certain kinds of ads that may not be accepted, as well as the percentage of space in the publication that may be taken up with advertising, in order to qualify for the non-profit rate. The IRS may have certain restrictions, too. These would be worth researching before making a decision. Grant-making organizations may have specific rules regarding advertising that could exclude a publication from a particular grant. However, this may not be much of a concern since most funders won't fund publications, per se. Having pointed out these caveats let me say that I think advertising, while a lot of work, is potentially the only place real money is going to come from. Therefore, I would warn against making the ad price so low that it's not useful for supporting the publication. That would be a waste of space. In an all-volunteer publication the costs are limited but still not insignificant. The price of ads should be calculated based on an assessment of how much money needs to be generated, how much space could reasonably be expected to be sold and an arithmetic reduction of the two. Other considerations are mostly extraneous. Ad prices must be consistent but discounts for a contract with several repeat placements, or for advance payment, should be encouraged. These are just a few considerations that come to mind. I'm sure there are others. Let me tell you, as a publisher, chasing, placing and collecting on ads is the biggest pain in the ass of the whole process. It is, however, the only route to financial survival I have available. Good Luck. Burt Wartell Maine Labor News PO Box 3472 Portland, ME 04104 207-773-5760 (phone) 207-773-5766 (fax) mln@maine.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues > At 10:11 AM 10/21/01 -0400, you wrote: > >On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:16:03PM -0400, noreastah wrote: > > > > > > political ads, space permitting, and all ads do not neccesarily > > reflect or > > > > influence the ideas expressed in the publication. > > > > > > I think this is a bad idea. What if some anti-abortion group wanted to try > > > to place an ad? Would the policy suddenly need to be changed? Just > > something > > > to think about > > > >no, we would accept it. > > i agree. > > think about it this way: if you were an anti-abortion group, would you > spend $100 on a quarter-page ad in a publication whose readership would be > so unreceptive to your ideas? i would think that would be a rather poor use > of their funds, and there are plenty of other places where they could post > and have much better results. however, if they decided that it was worth > their money to put the ad in our publication, we would not say no to $100 > toward our printing costs. and in the interest of the mission statement of > our publication, rob is right -- free speech cannot afford to be selective. > > when we were originally tossing this idea around, we meant "political ads" > from candidates like faircloth or pingree whom we might approach, having > spoken with them at the CGF and knowing their interest in our cause, to buy > an ad to help our paper. > > i think what we need to do soon (perhaps i will work on it today) is create > a pdf that can be printed out as an ad application, with sizes and prices > and discounts for repeat ads. > > my personal suggestions so far: > > 1/8page = $25 nonprof/edu, $50 political > 1/4page = $50 nonprof/edu, $100 political > 1/2page = $100 nonprof/edu, $200 political > > we need to think about repeating ads and whether we would give a discount > to an organization willing to commit to (3? 6? more?) issues. > > now, the really pressing question: > - many non-profits thrive on grant money and expect to get free ads, > therefore are not interested in paying our prices. > - there are precious few educational institutions that need this publicity > - we have not decided upon or approached the political groups or candidate s > > there is one more group that we have not yet tapped, and they are the group > that has the most potential to fund us: > - commercial ads > > now don't get me wrong -- just because we might accept them doesn't mean we > can't choose them. our policy could be that we will choose businesses > (small local ones, generally) that we feel are worthy of ad space in our > publication, and offer them the application. there is one business > (re-books used bookstore) in waterville that would already be interested in > a 1/4 page ad if we decide to do this. perhaps we could say that the places > that are eligible for commercial ads in the paper would be only the places > willing to be a drop point for the paper. we have used bookstores, health > food stores, cafes, and other businesses sympathetic to our cause, whose > ads would not seem out of place in our publication, and they have the money > to help fund us, but so far we have rejected this option because of an > ideal -- because we allow one commercial business an ad, according to our > "motto" we would have to allow all in. > > not so! we have not written a policy on this. i think this is going to be > the best way to go. but i need your approval on it ... we can get funding > for this paper, we just have to "open our minds" a bit -- and by that i do > _not_ mean "sell out". supporting local businesses is not "selling out" by > anyone's definition. > > peace, > alasdair > > > > _______________________________________________ > Meimc-publication mailing list > Meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org > http://lists.maineindymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/meimc-publication From noreastah@acadia.net Sun Oct 21 22:49:19 2001 Received: from anvil.prexar.com ([142.167.5.3]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vW5T-0001Xp-00; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:49:15 -0500 Received: from i6h4b8 ([142.167.34.65]) by anvil.prexar.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e80ad4300c78461dee1883b377c18f00) with SMTP id <20011022033833.DKWO28031.anvil@i6h4b8>; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:38:33 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c15aab$46031880$4122a78e@i6h4b8> From: "noreastah" To: Cc: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021214536.00a92870@leopard.middlebury.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [Meimc-publication] Re: [MeIMC-discuss] publication name! please! help! A few ideas to throw into the mix... Voice of the Commons (or Voices of the Commons?) Maine Voice of the Commons Maine People's Press Free Voice of Maine Free Voice of the Commons Commons Report Maine Commons Press Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: [MeIMC-discuss] publication name! please! help! > hey all again -- > > just needed to remind people that we still need a name for the publication. > after the last note nobody came forth with one (if you did, i apologize, i > haven't seen it yet). > > the maine free press' name conflicts with another semi-progressive maine > paper, and we must change it (out of respect, not because we've been > threatened or anything). > > i personally would like to avoid names that sound too cliche, but hillary > has said that some of the "creative" names i've come up with make the paper > sound like something it isn't. ex: "Immedia" = too geek; "The Third I" = > too new age; "Vox Populis" = too intellectual; etc > > hillary really wants to include something with "commons" or "common", or > "voice" ... others have expressed interest in emphasizing "free". all are > interested in making it a name that will stand out and catch attention > without alienating people -- i.e. a name that will make the average citizen > interested enough to pick it up and read it. > > I know this seems like a minor issue, but there is alot of power in a name, > and we should make sure we pick one we really want because we're going to > have to live with it (unless we change names each time we print ... hehe) > > peace, > alasdair post-quinn > editor, common maine independent free press voice herald times journal tribune > > > > _______________________________________________ > MeIMC-discuss mailing list > MeIMC-discuss@lists.maineindymedia.org > http://lists.maineindymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/meimc-discuss > From acpquinn@middlebury.edu Sun Oct 21 23:18:10 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vWXS-0001g9-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:18:10 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLLA4L01.59R for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:07:33 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021235931.045127b0@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:06:23 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues In-Reply-To: <000901c15aac$159a6800$4122a78e@i6h4b8> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> <20011021101104.A22709@psouth.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011021211715.00a93160@leopard.middlebury.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:46 PM 10/21/01 -0400, you wrote: > > keep in mind we are a very unusual IMC. we are spread vastly over a wide > > area with only 1/8 the population of new york city and, on average, a much > > worse economy. obviously, an IMC in new york will have an easier time > > finding places not only to get ads but to get other funding. > >Imagine being a part of Utah IMC. :) yeah, 'cept they're based in Salt Lake City, and it seems most of their activity is there :} But they do have a good publication name, maybe we can take ideas from - title of the publication is "Gadfly" and comes from a Plato quote about "A horse needs a gadfly to keep is awake....." (can't copy from their publication because it's a pdf file, but it has the idea, taking a name from an interesting quote or story or history or such, for the publication name...) -hillary From sterren@brandeis.edu Sun Oct 21 23:47:04 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vWzQ-0001np-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:47:04 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.brandeis.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLLBGR02.HRU; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:36:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022001200.04559950@pop.undergrad.brandeis.edu> X-Sender: sterren@pop.undergrad.brandeis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:35:11 -0400 To: ernest gurney From: sterren Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues Cc: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org In-Reply-To: <20011020182705.64255.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_54530132==_.ALT" --=====================_54530132==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable replys to ernest (luxbndr@yahoo.com) --> a. How do we (can we) edit content? What if a neo-nazi group >decides= =20 to ad thru us (to check out our balance)? When does paid >"political=20 opinion" become a hate crime? How do we handle that? Are >we ALLOWED to=20 handle that? Do we just let the vitriol out and hope >that the readers "get= =20 it"? I'd say as long as the content doesn't violate the mission statement=20 (included are parts about non-discrimination based on race, gender, age,=20 etc) and such, a political ad would be accepted? But I mean we can=20 definitely reserve right to accept or reject ads...but where is line=20 drawn....there is always the option of including the ad and having an=20 article/commentary on it? Or maybe we accept no political ads, but do=20 accept commercial ads? Can we come to an agreement on this within a week? ---> b. And, conversely, if the advertisers that hook into us seem to be of= =20 a >particular political/philosophical bent, will we become branded by the=20 company >we keep? Will we become looked upon as "that type of publication"?= =20 Will we >lose a balanced reputation, based on who ads thru us? I'm not sure we've ever had a balanced reputation, tho it would be nice to= =20 have one. But i'm not sure that ad's would affect that any more than=20 content, especially if people looking for businesses to buy ads tried to=20 keep them balanced as it were - within the group of locally owned and=20 operated businesses, there's a pretty wide range of ideals...It's kinda a=20 cycle tho, if our articles appear to have a certain general ideological=20 bent, only businesses which share that bent (or whose consumer base shares= =20 that bent) will want to advertise with us, and those who don't share that=20 assumed bent will not have an interest in advertising with us...and then=20 people might get a feeling from our ads that we have a particular bent,=20 reinforcing cycle... ---> c. We have to find a way to emphatically maintain the fact that an ad= =20 thru us >does not mean that we believe you or your freakin ad. How do we=20 take money >and maintain objectivity? How do we maintain the perception of= =20 objectivity in >our reading public if we take money from causes (any more=20 than >corporations)?=85.will we (and our advertisers) understand that ad=20 money is not >hush money?=85.and will the public believe that? Don't know...we can make it a major statement in all the issues, maybe=20 placed by one of the ads...I think people involved are strong enough and=20 smart enough to understand that ads are not hush money, and to maintain the= =20 ideas behind Maine IMC - and if an individual isn't, other participants=20 will certainly remind that person...As for how do we take money and=20 maintain objectivity - no matter how we go about doing this publication, we= =20 will need money - be it from grants (though most won't fund publications -= =20 and for the most partgrant organizations are FAR more controlling of an=20 organization and meddling in what an organization can and cannot say and=20 criticize if it conflicts with the grant organization), private donations,= =20 ads, or what have you - how do we maintain objectivity in any situations=20 that involve money? A question for the philosophers? And also, many IMC's=20 in their mission statements do point out that being human one has personal= =20 experiences of life, and from that fact, none can be truly objective. Can=20 we just try to stick to some ideals (in this case the mission statement of= =20 Maine and global IMC's), be honest about events as you perceive them, and=20 keep checks on each other to keep responsible? ---> d. The key is objectivity and how to maintain that and does money talk= =20 (or >does it swear?) see above thoughts.... ----> New Name=85. >Too bad that WE ARE YOU (WERU) is taken=85.but I think that's=20 the >springboard for the process. The idea is to come up with a name=20 that >expresses that kind of community. > Our Maine Voice? > The Maine Voice? > Grassroot Maine? > WeRMe (wormy?=85working the soil of maine issues?=85the We=20 Army) >yeah=85that's kinda out there. > It would be a lot easier if Independent wasn't a political=20 designation. Agreed....hehe, i like WeRMe for it's weird implications, but anyway....as= =20 i was saying, maybe more along the lines of the "Gadfly" name of the Utah=20 publication we could find our name... thanks for all thoughts... -hillary =20 --=====================_54530132==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable replys to ernest (luxbndr@yahoo.com)
--> a.  How do we (can we) edit content? What if a neo-nazi group >decides to ad thru us (to check out our balance)? When does paid >"political opinion"  become a hate crime? How do we handle that? Are >we ALLOWED to handle that? Do we just let the vitriol out and hope >that the readers "get it"?

I'd say as long as the content doesn't violate the mission statement (included are parts about non-discrimination based on race, gender, age, etc) and such, a political ad would be accepted? But I mean we can definitely reserve right to accept or reject ads...but where is line drawn....there is always the option of including the ad and having an article/commentary on it? Or maybe we accept no political ads, but do accept commercial ads? Can we come to an agreement on this within a week?
---> b. And, conversely, if the advertisers that hook into us seem to be of a >particular political/philosophical bent, will we become branded by the company >we keep? Will we become looked upon as "that type of publication"? Will we >lose a balanced reputation, based on who ads thru us?

I'm not sure we've ever had a balanced reputation, tho it would be nice to have one. But i'm not sure that ad's would affect that any more than content, especially if people looking for businesses to buy ads tried to keep them balanced as it were - within the group of locally owned and operated businesses, there's a pretty wide range of ideals...It's kinda a cycle tho, if our articles appear to have a certain general ideological bent, only businesses which share that bent (or whose consumer base shares that bent) will want to advertise with us, and those who don't share that assumed bent will not have an interest in advertising with us...and then people might get a feeling from our ads that we have a particular bent, reinforcing cycle...

---> c. We have to find a way to emphatically maintain the fact that an ad thru us >does not mean that we believe you or your freakin ad. How do we take money >and maintain objectivity? How do we maintain the perception of objectivity in >our reading public if we take money from causes (any more than >corporations)?=85.will we (and our advertisers) understand that ad money is not >hush money?=85.and will the public believe that?

Don't know...we can make it a major statement in all the issues, maybe placed by one of the ads...I think people involved are strong enough and smart enough to understand that ads are not hush money, and to maintain the ideas behind Maine IMC - and if an individual isn't, other participants will certainly remind that person...As for how do we take money and maintain objectivity - no matter how we go about doing this publication, we will need money - be it from grants (though most won't fund publications - and for the most partgrant organizations are FAR more controlling of an organization and meddling in what an organization can and cannot say and criticize if it conflicts with the grant organization), private donations, ads, or what have you - how do we maintain objectivity in any situations that involve money? A question for the philosophers? And also, many IMC's in their mission statements do point out that being human one has personal experiences of life, and from that fact, none can be truly objective. Can we just try to stick to some ideals (in this case the mission statement of Maine and global IMC's), be honest about events as you perceive them, and keep checks on each other to keep responsible?

---> d. The key is objectivity and how to maintain that and does money talk (or >does it swear?)

see above thoughts....


----> New Name=85.
        >Too bad that WE ARE YOU (WERU) is taken=85.but I think that's the >springboard for the process. The idea is to come up with a name that >expresses that kind of community.
>       Our Maine Voice?
>       The Maine Voice?
>       Grassroot Maine?
>       WeRMe (wormy?=85working the soil of maine issues?=85the We Army) >yeah=85that's kinda out there.
>       It would be a lot easier if Independent wasn't a political designation.


Agreed....hehe, i like WeRMe for it's weird implications, but anyway....as i was saying, maybe more along the lines of the "Gadfly" name of the Utah publication we could find our name...

thanks for all thoughts...

-hillary
         --=====================_54530132==_.ALT-- From insight@qsilver.net Sun Oct 21 23:59:26 2001 Received: from dravite.mint.net ([216.227.128.32]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vXBO-0001rT-00; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:59:26 -0500 Received: from sy (me-rockland-qs-56.mint.adelphia.net [216.227.148.56]) by dravite.mint.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20741; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c15ab5$aee66640$3894e3d8@sy> From: "ben" To: "noreastah" , Cc: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021214536.00a92870@leopard.middlebury.edu> <002101c15aab$46031880$4122a78e@i6h4b8> Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] Re: [MeIMC-discuss] publication name! please! help! Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:54:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 just been sitting here reading all your messages. how about... The Peoples Voice thats the best i can think of now. ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "noreastah" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 11:40 PM Subject: [Meimc-publication] Re: [MeIMC-discuss] publication name! please! help! > A few ideas to throw into the mix... > > > Voice of the Commons (or Voices of the Commons?) > Maine Voice of the Commons > Maine People's Press > Free Voice of Maine > Free Voice of the Commons > Commons Report > Maine Commons Press > > Andy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: [MeIMC-discuss] publication name! please! help! > > > > hey all again -- > > > > just needed to remind people that we still need a name for the > publication. > > after the last note nobody came forth with one (if you did, i apologize, i > > haven't seen it yet). > > > > the maine free press' name conflicts with another semi-progressive maine > > paper, and we must change it (out of respect, not because we've been > > threatened or anything). > > > > i personally would like to avoid names that sound too cliche, but hillary > > has said that some of the "creative" names i've come up with make the > paper > > sound like something it isn't. ex: "Immedia" = too geek; "The Third I" = > > too new age; "Vox Populis" = too intellectual; etc > > > > hillary really wants to include something with "commons" or "common", or > > "voice" ... others have expressed interest in emphasizing "free". all are > > interested in making it a name that will stand out and catch attention > > without alienating people -- i.e. a name that will make the average > citizen > > interested enough to pick it up and read it. > > > > I know this seems like a minor issue, but there is alot of power in a > name, > > and we should make sure we pick one we really want because we're going to > > have to live with it (unless we change names each time we print ... hehe) > > > > peace, > > alasdair post-quinn > > editor, common maine independent free press voice herald times journal > tribune > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MeIMC-discuss mailing list > > MeIMC-discuss@lists.maineindymedia.org > > http://lists.maineindymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/meimc-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Meimc-publication mailing list > Meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org > http://lists.maineindymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/meimc-publication > > From sterren@brandeis.edu Mon Oct 22 00:02:12 2001 Received: from smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11] helo=smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vXE4-0001sm-00 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:02:12 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.brandeis.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLLC6000.JVP for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:51:36 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022003814.04562540@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: sterren@pop.undergrad.brandeis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:50:18 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: sterren Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] publication issues In-Reply-To: <003e01c15a87$885a7940$8328a78e@i6h4b8> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019143012.04422860@leopard.middlebury.edu> <001a01c1599b$a9e2caa0$9e20a78e@i6h4b8> <20011021101104.A22709@psouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >Although I do believe in free speech for everyone, I think it's also very >important to realise that we don't live in a world where everyone has an >equal voice. There would be no need for independent media centers if money >did not unfairly influence what news and opinions get aired and what did >not. > >I would not want to set up a situation where anyone could even remotely have >any influence over indymedia. I think it's dishonest to believe you can take >for money for something and not be in some (small) way influenced by it. >I'll give $100 to anyone who can convience me money has no influence on >them. :) As I said in my previous email, in order for Maine IMC to operate and put out a publication in this society, we need money to do it. It's just a matter of where it comes from, and no matter where it comes from, it can be argued that that source would have some (even very minor, but some) influence on the content of the publication. But my feeling is that a grant or personal money donations have far more a likelihood of influencing the content - it's just that they're hidden sources. Honestly, I think ads might actually have an advantage as a source, because people can see who we're getting our money from, and if they feel we're avoiding or covering an issue as a result of who is advertising, they can then take it upon themselves to write a letter to the editor or write an article for the publication, calling us on it. If, say, we're getting money from an organization that would not support us having an article exposing corruption within the Maine Education system, and that organization might withdraw or not give any future funding based on that, the only people who are aware of that influence are the grant-providers, the MeIMC people aware of that grant, and whoever for some reason really wants to dig and do the research to find out that info. If, however, we are running an ad from a factory where workers are striking, and we do not cover that strike, people are far more likely to notice that connection and voice their suspicions and problems with money influencing our coverage, or the slant of coverage. >If it where possible to get enough money to put out the publication with >taking ads, >would people consider this? Yes, definitely, as long as it doesn't have a hitch that would effect our coverage. Do you have some ideas? Thank you for your thoughts. Much appreciated :} -hillary From tims@maine.greens.org Mon Oct 22 19:06:37 2001 Received: from valen.gwi.net ([207.5.128.33]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vp5Y-0006RI-00 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:06:37 -0500 Received: from hppav (d-216-195-153-227.gwi.net [216.195.153.227]) by valen.gwi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f9MNuKh17367 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007101c15b55$8ada61c0$e399c3d8@hppav> Reply-To: "Tim Sullivan, Knox Greens" From: "Tim Sullivan, Knox Greens" To: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:59:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C15B33.FFFCC5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [Meimc-publication] Ads This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C15B33.FFFCC5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might suggest how the Maine Greens Monitor raises money...we have only = the names of advertisers in print (no graphics), in a column on one side = of a page, and they are all grouped together (we call them Green = Lights). We include the address, any website and email, and a short = description, but no photos. This keeps much of the paper open for content (and not ads) and keeps = the paper funded, while not allowing for overt advertising. Tim Sullivan ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C15B33.FFFCC5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I might suggest how the Maine Greens = Monitor raises=20 money...we have only the names of advertisers in print (no = graphics), in a=20 column on one side of a page, and they are all grouped together (we call = them=20 Green Lights).  We include the address, any website and email, and = a short=20 description, but no photos.
 
This keeps much of the paper open for = content (and=20 not ads) and keeps the paper funded, while not allowing for overt=20 advertising.
 
Tim Sullivan
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C15B33.FFFCC5A0-- From tims@maine.greens.org Mon Oct 22 19:14:46 2001 Received: from valen.gwi.net ([207.5.128.33]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vpDS-0006Uv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:14:46 -0500 Received: from hppav (d-216-195-153-227.gwi.net [216.195.153.227]) by valen.gwi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f9N04Uh22039 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b501c15b56$aec75a60$e399c3d8@hppav> Reply-To: "Tim Sullivan, Knox Greens" From: "Tim Sullivan, Knox Greens" To: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:07:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C15B35.240B5000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [Meimc-publication] Names This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C15B35.240B5000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How 'bout "Maine Indymedia"? ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C15B35.240B5000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How 'bout "Maine=20 Indymedia"?
------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C15B35.240B5000-- From noreastah@acadia.net Mon Oct 22 22:54:40 2001 Received: from anvil.prexar.com ([142.167.5.3]) by berogard.psouth.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15vseG-0007S1-00 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:54:40 -0500 Received: from i6h4b8 ([142.167.40.172]) by anvil.prexar.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e80ad4300c78461dee1883b377c18f00) with SMTP id <20011023034337.XGKE28031.anvil@i6h4b8> for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: <014e01c15b75$182d2e80$af22a78e@i6h4b8> From: "noreastah" To: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:45:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014A_01C15B53.90415B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [Meimc-publication] Specs for Digital Photos/Graphics for Print Publication? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01C15B53.90415B20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_014B_01C15B53.90415B20" ------=_NextPart_001_014B_01C15B53.90415B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm just curious if Maine IMC is currently set up to accept = photos/graphics for publication in print. If so what are the specs? = Would graphics/images have to be a certain dpi (dots per inch) or = format? I'd like to submit something like the graphic I am attaching (below), = but am not sure it would translate well into a print publication. Let me = know how to submit graphics/images when you get a chance. Andy ------=_NextPart_001_014B_01C15B53.90415B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I'm just curious if Maine IMC is = currently set=20 up to accept photos/graphics for publication in print. If so what are = the specs?=20 Would graphics/images have to be a certain dpi (dots per inch) or=20 format?
 
I'd like to submit something like the = graphic I am=20 attaching (below), but am not sure it would translate well into a print=20 publication. Let me know how to submit graphics/images when you get a=20 chance.
 
Andy
 
 
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15vsrT-0007Tp-00 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:08:19 -0500 Received: from fal-s-eidol.middlebury.edu ([24.52.128.216]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GLN4C100.85A for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:57:37 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022234833.00a46010@leopard.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: acpquinn@leopard.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:57:16 -0400 To: meimc-publication@lists.maineindymedia.org From: acpquinn@middlebury.edu Subject: Re: [Meimc-publication] Specs for Digital Photos/Graphics for Print Publication? In-Reply-To: <014e01c15b75$182d2e80$af22a78e@i6h4b8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_29943351==_.ALT" --=====================_29943351==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:45 PM 10/22/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm just curious if Maine IMC is currently set up to accept >photos/graphics for publication in print. If so what are the specs? Would >graphics/images have to be a certain dpi (dots per inch) or format? > >I'd like to submit something like the graphic I am attaching (below), but >am not sure it would translate well into a print publication. Let me know >how to submit graphics/images when you get a chance. you're welcome to send graphics, but best to send them to me personally than to the list (unless they're not too large). some graphics specs: - grayscale only for the publication (rather than having me convert to grays, it's better that you design the graphic so it looks good in grays) - any fileformat is ok, as long as it allows you to set the resolution. the resolution for the print publication is currently 180dpi. - i try not to make the pictures take up more than 2 columns in width, so best to keep the print size (if you can set it) to 6 inches or less in width. peace, alasdair --=====================_29943351==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:45 PM 10/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
Hi,
 
I'm just curious if Maine IMC is currently set up to accept photos/graphics for publication in print. If so what are the specs? Would graphics/images have to be a certain dpi (dots per inch) or format?
 
I'd like to submit something like the graphic I am attaching (below), but am not sure it would translate well into a print publication. Let me know how to submit graphics/images when you get a chance.

you're welcome to send graphics, but best to send them to me personally than to the list (unless they're not too large). some graphics specs:

- grayscale only for the publication (rather than having me convert to grays, it's better that you design the graphic so it looks good in grays)
- any fileformat is ok, as long as it allows you to set the resolution. the resolution for the pr